tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2257114463060999037.post7703852152954828270..comments2023-10-26T05:56:21.000-04:00Comments on Fire And Grace - David Johndrow: It's About Jesus, Not About Church! Stupid Things Christians Do - Part 2David-FireAndGracehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13540931140500045826noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2257114463060999037.post-21630413701262183982011-06-14T12:06:14.404-04:002011-06-14T12:06:14.404-04:00My church is exactly what you are commenting about...My church is exactly what you are commenting about. The official church motto is, "Come as you are, be moved by grace" but the unofficial motto that is continually expounded, "Church for people who don't like church"<br /><br />I see the vision of my church has its purpose in getting people to come to our church. The trouble is that they start with a negative and what they end up with is 'people who don't like church' and the leadership complains when the congregants complain about the leadership.<br /><br />David, I often think you are in my head, thinking the same thoughts as me (except when it comes to cheering for the better NHL team). Thanks for your posts.Andrea Yorkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17731698199965258229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2257114463060999037.post-32246572409306988942011-06-13T20:33:19.100-04:002011-06-13T20:33:19.100-04:00In my wanderings, I have heard a few horror storie...In my wanderings, I have heard a few horror stories of people seeking salvation in certain cuhrches. All that I can do is lead them to Christ. It is up to the ones seeking salvation through Christ to find a church that promotes salvation over membership roles.<br /><br />Sadly in some churches that is their prime goal ( increase membership) when it should be bringing more to Christ.photogrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05149737419546300220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2257114463060999037.post-41798983045528154382011-06-13T09:21:44.630-04:002011-06-13T09:21:44.630-04:00I do think there can a certain amount of pride tha...I do think there can a certain amount of pride that goes into it. Let's face it, if we labor to get a great church going, it is hard not to think we are the best in the business.<br /><br />it is the Kingdom attitude that needs to prevail, and that can only come from Jesus.David-FireAndGracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13540931140500045826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2257114463060999037.post-81043155251449303252011-06-13T09:06:15.428-04:002011-06-13T09:06:15.428-04:00Do you sometimes think church is like high school?...Do you sometimes think church is like high school? Meaning we want others to see how cool/holy.<br /><br />nicodemusatnite.comCharlie Changhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15893038509880330735noreply@blogger.com