"It sounds like a cult, the
"Those people don't fall down under the power of God, they use ropes."
"The Bible is clear, woman have no place in the church."
"Why would they need 2 hours for prayer? They are just trying to wear people down so they can control their minds."
I'm still shaking my head. What is the purpose of posting stupid opinions that only show how unloving you are and occasionally your sheer ignorance of the true meaning of the Scriptures? Worse yet, I bet SinFinder45 has never been to a service or church where this prayer model has been used. How do they know?
If woman don't have a place in the church, how come most churches are 60+% woman? How come woman are about 90% of the prayer behind most churches, and the woman's Bible study is more popular than everything but Sunday morning service? I mean, if men are so awesome, then how come the church is steadily in decline? Maybe EyeKnowItAll can explain that to me?
And Lord help me understand, "It sounds like a cult?!?" Most Christians don't even know what a cult is by definition. (Denying the divinity of Jesus Christ as God). How does DiedInTheWool666 know that something is a cult because they used a catchy terms like "Father Ladder and 4 Doors (hatred, fear, occult and sexual sin)?" How come they didn't have a problem with the term "Presenting Jesus"?
And finally, 2 hours for prayer. Are these the same people that sit for an hour in a secular counseling session twice a week, and mange to sit through an hour service on Sunday morning? You have to be kidding me! If I understand the format, there is an interview time where some sort of trust and rapport is built, along with a discussion of the issues to be prayed over. And is an hour of prayer too much? Is confession to much? Is prayer for deliverance, healing and blessing too much? Think about it, if you could have a friend pray over your darkest secrets, and have an opportunity to get some relief, how long would that take?
There nothing new under the sun. As with most forays into stupidity, there are those that are misguided by clinging to their own understanding of Bible versus - or just plain personal opinions - and even more egregious, gossip and hearsay.
Galatians 3:1 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?
Even more bothersome, is the fact that people are willing to reject what God may in fact be doing, because it does not fit their religious paradigm or hearsay. That is exactly what the Pharisees did. They were Scripture lawyers and the ruling religious elite. They were the same folks, according to Jesus, that were far from God and leading others astray with ungodly teaching and religious traditions. Folks this was the Torah, the very Word of God; intellectualized for the sake of logic, understanding, intellectual elitism and personal gain.
Here is a test. You have a blind person in your church. Let's say one day you go out in the parking lot and there is a strange looking guy (not dressed like one of the regulars) stooping over and mixing some dirt from the ground with spit as he is praying for this person you know. What do you do? Stop him? Join him? Watch him? Rebuke him?
My point is pretty simple. How do we so easily know if this is some kook that read the passage about Jesus healing with dirt and spittle, or someone authentic? Can we tell by his dress, his church membership - exactly how can we tell? Where is the Bible verse that says this can't happen?
Let me ask you, what would you do if your life was characterized by one of these statements?
- You have a sense of unworthiness.
- You have a sense of shame.
- Life just isn't working the way you want it to.
- Life is chaotic.
- You have a lot of fear and can't get to the bottom of it.
- You feel like you've been “slimed” but you can't put your finger on it.
- You feel like the Christian life isn't all it’s cracked up to be.
- You don't experience much victory.
- There seems like there’s a glass ceiling between you and God.
- You've heard that people hear from God but you haven't.
- You're tormented by negative thoughts.
- You want to be able to trust God, but you just can't.
- Your medicine cabinet looks like a shelf from Walgreen’s.
- No matter what you do you can't get well.
- There seems to be a “hit me” target on my back.
- You're hanging on by a thread and all you can do is “survive”.
- You struggle to maintain satisfying relationships.
I would be fast on my way to see if this was really God!
Well I have discovered that there are some folks that have way of praying, listening to the Father, and partnering with Holy Spirit to address the above issues without counseling.
I am going to check it out - and if it's God, I am going to join the team!